Hi and welcome to this week's episode of Money with Alpha. I've got a lovely guest today, Michelle Saunderson from Those 2 Sisters. Welcome, Michelle. Thank you for having me. I know we are winging this one, which I absolutely love and I think your audience is going to love as well. Yeah, we. Someone else connected us. I had actually already met Michelle's sister, whom I met at another event last year, so I was familiar with those Two Sisters. We were just going to have a pre-chat about talking about the podcast. But we' like, you know what, let's just hit record and go for it. So let's take this conversation where it needs to go. So, in your own words, then, how about a little bit of an intro who you are, who, how you ended up working with your sister because it is unusual. And then what you do, how you do it. So just a little bit of an overview of, of you and your world. Yeah. Awesome. So thanks for having me. Firstly so, yeah, as you said, our company name is those two sisters, and there's me, Michelle and my sister, Diane McKendrick. Together we form those two sisters. We're actual sisters, which a few people get a little confused with because we don't actually look alike. She's got really dark hair and olive skin and I'm fair. And our personalities are very different as well, which works really well in our company. What do we do? It's very hard sometimes to explain, and it's been a little thing that's been going on for many years in our company. But we we love to empower business women mostly. And our tagline is to cut the crap, to do the thing and be the woman that you're born to be. So basically get past your fears, past all your bs because we see the magic in every woman. Right. And we love, just love holding space for women to just shine like they're meant to shine and, and, and then get their own magic out into the world. At the moment, our theme, we're really Passionate at the moment is, and it'll align with your podcast as well, is the Rich Lady Revolution. So just really allowing women to be rich. And it's not just about money that is very important, as you know, but all areas of our life. So. And making what we love to teach people is how to make meaningful money. Like instead of money, that's just money for the sake of it. It's like fulfilling our values. And yeah, the way we do that is run retreats for women. Were on a 20 something retreat at the moment, so we love running retreats. That's where the big change happens. But for those not ready for retreats, we also do like online programs. So we've got the Rich Lady Revol, which is our online program and then our top end is the Queen's Club, which is our touch high touch point one on one with our ladies. So yeah, we just absolutely love what we're doing. My backstory just really quickly is I was a police officer for 23 years. I'm not sure if you knew that. No, I didn't. Yeah. So as a sergeant in the police for 23 years and I end up choosing not to get the vaccination. I'm not an anti vaxxer or anything, but I didn't get it and so I end up getting the sack. Like I literally got terminated. Yeah crazy story. So I'm a single mom, two little kids and yeah, I had to make it work and I was already part time in the business. Yeah. So I was like, right, I'm all in, let's do this. Yeah. And yeah, the rest is history. Yeah. So, yeah, incredibly brave. Especially when you're in that frontline space where there was so much pressure and oh gosh, I, yeah, I, I didn't object to necessarily the existence of the vax and yeah, fully backs. My daughter is not empty at all. But yes, I, I did a. I had issues with how it was presented. And enforced how it went out and yeah. And I'm really proud of myself but also completely trust them. I'm very what people call woo woo. I have a very strong spiritual background. Not really background, I just very intuitive. And as times passed I've just noticed when I tap into my intuition how strong it is and I can actually channel. And then I found out accidentally that I could do energy healings as well. So that all came into the mix. So it's so bizarre. Because I'm like you, I'm very structured and process driven. I love that's what I used to do on the police. They'd pull me into really busy offices and say sort of pretty much fix it. And I'd have sops written and everyone knew what they're doing and I love that. But I also have this other side to me that's very intuitive and very spiritual and so it works really well together. I can see by your. I'm like both. I'VE got the crystals. I've got my little most people have stress balls. I have one of these. Oh, wow pyramids. And I, I literally fiddle with it. So yeah, I don't need stressful. Yeah, I've got little crystals under the computer and yeah, my cards are up there. I use my cards when I coach as well. Yes. I just get messages like pull a card and oh my God. Always spot on. Spot on. Ridiculously spot on. Fantastic. I love this. Exciting, all these personalities. So how did those two sisters come about? Oh, it's been a. Yeah, it's been a bit of a journey. Diane being the younger sister, she led the way. She was an ex athlete we call jokingly called retired, but couch potato. So she, her saying is she loves to make money while she sits on the couch. Yeah, she's very like. She sits on the couch. I was about to say she does not sit on the couch, but we use that term for in doing something she, you love. So like. Yeah, she's at water skiing. So she's anchored into her belief system that when she's out water skiing or out the sun in nature, money, big amounts of money is dropping into our account. And it's happened over and over and over again. We went over to Tony Robbins, went to Florida for Date with Destiny. Yeah it was amazing. And it was, we didn't have many breaks. I think it was one official break in the six days. And I was lying out in the sun in Florida looking at the palm trees like, this is the, this is the deal. Yeah. And my phone being then it was our celebrate channel. And it's like 3,300. You've sold a retreat. And I was like, what? Because usually I know about retreats. People usually talk to us. I was like, okay, yes. And I was like, oh, okay. Diane must be doing something inside. Next minute, bang. 3, 300. You sold another retreat. So I'm lying in the sun. $6,600 later, she's in there and just two Americans have bought a retreat and flew over to our retreat and then flew back and now is one of our high end clients. So yeah, that's what meaningful money is to me. And making it easy there. How we became. Oh, yeah. So she leads the way, basically. Yeah. So what was. Because I know there was. There's quite a story of Diane's as well. And you said some of yours. How did you. Because I think a lot of people get stuck in their, in their businesses when they first start. How do you actually Figure out what is the. The right offer to kind of share and how to put that together. How did that come about? Because you do. You share what you do, like retreats and then you've got, you know, there's a phased. And then there'll be entry levels even before that. Yes. Offers beyond that. How did you come up with that service suite? So it is literally a work in progress and I would say any business person, women, men, whatever out there must you just need to trust that your business grows with you. Like we started off together doing. Or she started mums and Bubs personal training. Yeah. And I saw her do it as she had a child and then I had mine and I helped her and I was like, I could do this. So both I got my cert for. Then we got into essential oils and that put us in the spiritual circle and then it just evolved over time. And then we. She did a coaching course. Yes. And then hypnosis and then I was helping the structure of a business. I didn't want to borrow anything else. And then I started to come in. She started running retreats. I was logistics. So I was literally just doing. Presenting a little. And then we just went, what are we crazy? We both got skills. Why are we doing this? So we decided we had some very good skills and how we came up with our offerings. We invested in some coaches in our time. I think it's probably the biggest thing I'd say to people. Yes, you can do it by yourself but having that extra set of eyes. Yes. Can really help you. Yeah Still follow our first business coach's advice sometimes. And I've had other coaches since with different areas. Yeah. But yeah, that's, that's how. Yeah. And I love that you say that too because I hear that the saying a lot. Oh, don't throw spaghetti at the wall. I was like, well, to a certain ext you kind of have to. Yes. That's what the iron does. Yeah. It's not like you come out of the womb knowing how to walk or run. We all have to learn. And these all overnight successes have taken a long than overnight. And you do have to try things because even as a person we also are not all like born business people either. And even in the type of business that we want will grow and evolve as you say, as we grow and evolve, just as our money needs change. You know, the, the amount of money I needed to survive in my 20s is very different to in my 30s and then now also in my fort bodies and it kind of swings up and down as well, too, depending on the choices that you make. Definitely a journey. Yeah, definitely a journey. We don't. Because we always say Diane's the one that throws the spaghetti at the wall. Yeah. He's like, the big vision. This is the creative, and I'm the one that cleans it up and puts it in the nice package. So she dreams up these big ideas all the time still to this day. I had one this morning. She's on the phone, I'm thinking, and she's learned my body language. I'm like, oh, God. Like, we had to talk about it because I was starting to become feeling like I was a bit the negative Nancy in the whole situation, because. But I knew what went in behind the scenes to make her idea happen. Yeah. We had a few, like, discussions around it. Yeah. And so now I called myself. I'm called the Neutralizer Bullet. Okay. Just neutralize, like, you know. Yeah. Yeah. Perhaps reality. Mind you, reality can be highly overrated. Yeah. But it needs both sides. It needs the creative, and it needs the. The. The. The implementation. Implementation. Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's awesome. That's a great balance to have. And that's. I think part of the challenge sometimes as solopreneurs is that we don't have, like, we've got to try and do both in our brains. And that's. And that's where it's even more important to have coaches and guides and people to sort of help and be part of groups and that. Yeah. So how has the money side? Because you've got two. Two personalities. Quite different, probably. I mean, your own. Even though you grew up in the same household, you'll still have your own money stories. How has that kind of blended together over time? And how do you talk about. Do you talk about it? I'm assuming you do. And how do you have those discussions? That's a great question. And I'm so, so glad you asked it, because it was such a big thing at the start, because although we grew up in the same family. Yeah. We're completely. Because of our different personalities, she's very much. I get the terms mixed risk. She's happy to take all the risk. Yeah. She just trusts it'll work. But I'm the. I see the bank accounts every day, and I'm like, yeah, you know, maybe not. So we've had a few, like, little coming togethers of over money. But when we first started our business, we actually kept our bank account separate, and we had tech, technically our own businesses. We were together. We were branded as those two sisters. But yeah she had her abn, I had mine and I literally would sort of contract to her. Yeah. It was complicated and it went on for about four years. But we had to do that because I didn't want. Because of that exact. I didn't. Family working with family and having such different money. So it took us for building our trust with each other for four years. Yeah. And. And because she'd started the business and really put herself and her family on the line for three years. And then I come in. We both agreed it shouldn't be 50, 50 at first because. Yeah. You know, so we did percentages and that went on for a couple years and eventually we both went, you know what? I think we're ready. And. Oh, still gives me goosebumps. And we put the company together, which was only like a year and a half ago that we actually got the proper. That structure. Yeah. And now I'm the finance person. Yeah. Yeah. And she. And then you can delineate the roles a little easier when you're in that structure too. Bringing two sort of sole traders or even two businesses together is. It definitely makes sense. And it's really interesting to hear that journey that you've taken and making those decisions, I think having those milestones or decision points. And it's not like you can say, oh, when this happens, we'll do this. It's not that clear cut. Because I see clients all the time who are. They're sole traders, but their business has grown so much. I think you may. Need to consider a different structure now it's time to go talk to your accountant and have that conversation. And that's one of the things I like to do, is prod that it still might not be right for them, but it's just important to be thinking about it and having that kind of option in the future to go, okay, if this is what we want to keep doing, then we need to work with what we've got now. And then when time is right for both of us, we can start to create a marriage, so to speak. It is of the business. Yeah. And it's scary. Like, I remember doing it thinking, oh, my God, like, I'm terrified. It's like buying a new house. Like, there's a lot of things. Costs involved, setting up companies and things merging. She had a trust, I had a soul trader. How was, you know, our back and forth. It was a met. Like a bit of a mess in the back end, but I just thought that's what we're paying the bookkeeper to clean that up. Yeah. Because I was still owing her. And we have retreats that were booked eight months in advance where all the money been paid into her bank account. And I only got my share when we ran the retreat. So our bookkeeper's been amazing. Yeah, but it's been. It's been really good. I'm really. It's when our. We took off financially was when we put the businesses together. Because Diane made a lot of money early on. Like, I'm talking a lot, but she wasn't structured. So she would get these tax bills that she would hit the deck. Yeah. She's literally. She tells us she's got a podcast. She hit the deck. Yeah. Because she's like, oh, my God, like, still getting these. She is still getting tax bills from when she had no idea about structure. And this is where also it really pains me to think, like, there's some awesome accountants out there and there's some awesome bookkeepers, but there's also equally ones that aren't. And. And I see the result of that. And also just then the. Not just the. They can do the compliance, but then they've also still got to warn their bit. Their. Their client that, okay, you are in a tax payable position. Are you putting money aside to pay that? Because one of the things I do is help with that organization and structure of the. Not the business structure, but the money kind of management structure. And that's where you're like, literally so many times I hear stories about huge tax bills and then having to pay them off over time. And it's just. Yeah, it shouldn't happen, you know, anyway. But as business owners, we get so passionate about the things that we're doing that we don't necessarily think about that. Side, Especially if it's not your natural. Like, it's not. Diane's natural state is to be in. In depth of that. But she's like, ever since I came on board, she's like, we literally split our roles. She. I don't think she knows what's. She doesn't look at the bank accounts. I tell her, like, I'm the cfo. She does all the sales and the big picture, and we just keep it very separate and it works, but we. We report back to each other and we've decided, you know Because we got to a point where I was seeing the bank account saying, oh, I knew there's money coming, but it's getting tight. And I was telling her, and she said, I can't do sales when I'm feeling like that. Yeah. And I said, well, I need to tell you if it's getting tight because I feel it's my responsibility. So we came up with a thing that. Unless it's actual, because I'm very much. It's. I'm projecting like, you know, we need to pay. There's, say, this 10 grand in the tax account. I don't want to use that money because there's a 10 grand tax bill coming, you know. Yeah, absolutely. So, yeah, we. We come up with some rules where I wasn't going to say anything unless it was actual black and white facts. Yeah. And. And she came up with the. We came up with the rules. She wanted something big and I just to trust me, if I said no, there's a reason behind it. I'm not just being, you know, silly. Definitely. The the word trust has come up quite a few times. Yeah, there's a lot of it. It's it's very important. And I mean, it's. It's a. It can be. People can like, oh, but you're a family. It's sisters, like. Yeah. But it's almost, I think, harder to have that level of trust within a family than somebody else, because you've got more riding on it than just the business. You also got your relationship as sisters and then also the family dynamic as daughters of the same parents and the, you know aunts and uncles. Anyway, there's a lot more in it. So I think that that's very important. That You've both recognized that you have to work on it. Yeah, there's definitely trust. I don't have any honesty issues. Trust. It's just we have to trust each other's decisions in our. When we're in our lane and in our genius. Yeah, I've got to trust. And she says, michelle, this is just. Trust me. This is. Decision is based because I can see the bigger picture. And I'm like, okay, yeah. And I just say, trust me. I don't think that that investment is. We can't do that right now. Maybe in six months. Trust me. And she's like, okay, let's do that. Yeah. Yes It's a it's an interesting thing too. Even just unpacking that part where Diane fans. It finds it difficult to. To sell and promote if she's worried about the. The money. And this is. I hear this so often. Oh, divorce yourself from the outcome. You know, just do it. And I'm like, yes, but if the outcome means that you could pay your mortgage that month, it's to do that. Unless you've got someone like you in the business who's worrying about that, but then they're naturally wired to share that concern, which impacts the person who's trying to divorce themselves from the outcome, which is usually the money. And it's just. You're like, oh, how do I. And this is where mindset becomes really, really important. So understanding personalities and how we operate, but then also having some mindset strategies. Do you. How do you work from a mindset perspective on. On money? Because like you said, we all have our stories and you don't have to share specifically what those stories are. But just. Do you have like a practice. Do you have some mantras you tell yourself, how does it. How does it play out for you? Yeah, we had big money stories happening and it took us a couple of years to realize that, oh, hang on. Because money was always seemed to be hard. Everything was hard. And then we both one day at the same time went, hang on. We both were brought up in the same family. Of course we've got the same way. And we're actually feeding off each other's bad not bad. Wrong beliefs. Yeah. So, yeah, we've done a lot of work around that. We've done hypnosis, so we both got hypno. Hypno trained. So we do Installing new belief systems quite regularly. We set up a thing called Money Matters every day to make sure that we know what's going on and where it is. And then, yeah, really working on that. Money can come easily and you don't have to work hard, which is where the couch potato comes from. It's most. It's funny because people, just so many people, even multimillionaires, I don't want that life. If you. When I see some of these women, I'm like, no, thank you. No, it's. They're working, they're absolutely. They're stressed to the eyeballs. And on top of that they've got, let's be completely honest, a lot of them have no profit. No. But they're sprouting 2 million dollar businesses and I'm like, that's great. But you can't. I'm sending you a bill and you can't pay it. Yeah, he's bouncing. Or you're not paying invoices. There's a problem there, you know. Yeah, yeah. And I think that's also a product of why do you want money? What's the lifestyle that you want? How do you want it to feel? My, My husband and I were quite intentional when we, we bought our house that we, we didn't want to sort of over capitalize. And also we wanted, I mean, we still have all of the things you could want. We've got air conditioning, we've got a pool. We've got, you know, all the all the comforts that you could possibly want. But it's in an area that was a little bit further out. Like we're Bayside in Brisbane, so a little bit further out, but it still works for, for our lifesty 10 minutes I can cycle to, to the water. You know, we're near the airport, like traveling. So there's, I think there's those sort of considerations about what sort of life do you actually want. And yeah, I don't, I don't like debt. So I'm very much a you know, whatever I need to do, I need to be able to fund it by myself. So. Yeah, it's it's interesting. These retreats that you run, can you tell us a little bit more about those? Because I'm intrigued. Yeah, I love our retreats. It's probably one of both of our geniuses brought together and that's where like massive magic happens. So women come in one way and a lot of their twitching and most people don't know each other and then three days later they walk out like different women. Yeah. So run different styles of retreats. We've got one called Energetics of Life. Probably changing the name soon. But that's for the sort of the. Just trying to find their purpose. Not quite sure they know they're blocked but they're not sure what's going on and we crack, crack them open fairly deeply at that retreat. And then we have an Edex, a business retreat where we take business women away and we do, we do some business stuff but it's more the, the mindset behind the business. So that, yeah, if you, if you're not work. If you. I've got a sign. So over here. Yeah, dreams don't work unless you do. And I always take. Took that as unless you are working. Yeah like done the self development and everything's working then your dreams happen. So yeah, same with the business. If you're, if your home life is and you're miserable and you're not confident and you're overweight, your business is going to show that. So yeah, Energetics of Business is one and we do a one called a top shelf retreat. That's a new one. So that's for multi million dollar business owners that need something and a break but they want to be around similar level women. And then a lot of when we work on that one is you know, bringing it back to that gets not money's not everything. They're extreme on that end sometimes. Yes. So yeah we run a few, about three or four retreats a year. Okay. Oh lovely. Well we'll make sure we put the, the link to that in the notes that people can find out more about it. Because yeah it's it's that slowing down to speed up kind of concept as well. I've, I've seen that coming out more and more about you know, just letting, letting go, relaxing a bit. And I've leaned into that a bit more already this year and already it's, I'm amazed at the sort of the, the impact of it. I was like oh, I feel like I'm doing less but more is coming. Which is actually quite bizarre. Like I know it. And the bizarre thing as well is, is that when I was in my 20s I've leaned very much into that. I had a upbringing which was very much fear based so European migrants after World War II and everything is scarce and you have to worry about government retribution potentially if you don't agree with regimes, all that kind of stuff. And then kind of growing into you know, who I was and having to learn who that was and having gone through the career that I, you know, I didn't particularly like, but I'm very glad I went through it because if I hadn't gone through accounting I wouldn't have experienced and I wouldn't have the knowledge that I have now to be able to help people in the way that I do. So it's, it's really interesting. Everything does happen for a reason. But we do need to have check ins and resets and I think going to retreats is brilliant. And I love the sound of yours as well and the, and the different purposes that they have. Yeah. And the community I feel is the biggest part of retreats is bringing women together that get each other and the feeling of that you can't undo. Like that's the biggest thing I think people say about what they get out of us is everyone's quite lonely in business and just bringing women together, lonely life. But bringing women together with similar values and then allowing them to. We're just, I don't know, we have this ability to hold space and people take their masks off because they feel safe. So we provide a space of safe so they can be vulnerable and then they realize all the other women are the same as them and we're all going through it and then the tears come and then everything comes out and then the new belief systems come in and then they walk out head held high and it's amazing. So. Yeah, yeah. Because when you think a lot of the sort of. There's a lot of networking events out there and they're, they're fine but you make a, connections like an hour or two hours and then people say they're going to connect and then they don't. It's, it almost feels worse than if you'd never gone in the first place. Yeah. Whereas yes, I've been to, to sort of seminars or retreats and, and yours sound like they'd be even deeper in that level where you actually come away with people that you stay connected with. Oh yeah, we have people still connected after like six years and things. So. Yeah. Oh, that's so lovely. And so what does, what does life hold for you? So you've, you've got, you've got your business. Theres who you are as a person and then you're a mum. What does, what does the the year of 2025. Start to look like for you For art or. Well, there's. There's a couple of things. Yeah. Yeah. So for the business, what my sister and I are really working on is now the residual income that is like, stable. We went through a lot of years of feast and famine. Yeah. Like, we took. Was it a hundred grand in a day? Yeah, 100 grand one day. Right. But then, you know, in a couple of months later, it's. Yeah. What the heck? What happened? Yeah. You have to do launches in order to make. That's right. So it's always feast and famine. And now we are Feast and flow is what we call it. So that's what we are working towards. And it's getting really. I can see it happen because I do all the figures every month. I'm like, oh, yeah, you can see it's up and it's now staying up, which is beautiful. So that's the business and really nailing our messaging and what we're offering the women out there. And then in my home life is finding a partner. So it's my last piece of my wheel of life is. Is my other. My. My other half, whoever that may be. I'm quite happy and fulfilled where I am. Quite happy. But, yeah, you know, I don't want to grow old and lonely. Yeah. I want my. My person. And I feel so complete that I just know that's the next thing. Yeah. And also I'm working on my femininity as well. So I've been very in my masculine and talk about doing less. So I'm doing a thing called kunyin. So feminine. Energy in motion, which is dropping me into my feminine, which is receiving as, you know, spiritually. Yes. Drop into receiving vibration. And all of a sudden the ease and the flow comes instead of the push, drive, hustle. Yeah. Which is. It's. I think the. I feel like the period we're in now is that is going to drive things more for the world in general. That like, constantly pushing is. And that hustle and that. That desire to strive and. And grow and develop and evolve in this whole. And. And I'm all for the concept of like, growth, mindset and all of that, but I feel like it engenders a certain behavior where we constantly feel like unless we're we're doing something to make that happen. I was like, well, in actual fact, you don't necessarily need to. A lot of it is already in us. We just need to go within and also sort of take in the information or the Things that we need to, but also have our filtration system to push away the things that aren't necessarily for us right now. So it's leaning into. Yeah. And I've funnily enough, I was probably more that way when I was in my sort of mid to late 20s. And then came, you know, striving for, you know, looking for. For, you know, my purpose and getting a partner and then getting married, becoming a mom. And then. And then everything just kind of gets lost in that. All of those different identity shifts that happen as a result. So now I'm in the. My sort of. I'm heading. I've now just. I've just had a birthday recently as well, like you and just heading into my late 30s late 40s. Sorry. And it's just like. You know what? I think I'm just gonna like just relax a bit more. Chill. Yeah. And just enjoy everything that I've created and allow more to. To kind of come into my sphere in a way that I can help people with ease as well. Yeah, I love that. I just. We just. Our fourth book was written about that like life cycles of business life and business cycles of life and business. And you know, how as mothers we go through all these cycles. Yeah. And our next book, our fifth book is being written at the moment and it Rich lady. Rich Lady Revolution. Redefining Rich. So we've got co authors in that. I'll say. I'll get Di to send you some information too because we're looking for one more co author. So. Yeah, it's just about making meaningful money. Like. Yeah. And what does rich mean to you? So. Yeah. And what you do with it. And this is something I leaned into a lot during the pandemic periods because I was like, there's a lot. There were a lot of businesses. We didn't know what was going on. Small businesses in particular. People couldn't get places. So I really leaned into supporting local as much as possible and I've stayed that way. So I, I literally go. I have. It's. It's all in my head. I don't need a spreadsheet to manage it. But I have all these different places I go to buy, you know, my cleaning products I buy from a family, that business from Lismore. And then I buy like all sorts of things all over the place. And I really. It's that I'm earning money, but I have the way I spend it needs to also be meaningful, you know, so that I Can impact life in the way that I want and create that circle and that flow. And then do it. So where are things made? How are they made? You know, doing? Being more intentional, just in general without overanalyzing, because I can tend to go down that path too. But I love the word meaningful. It's. It's so necessary and so relevant. Yeah. Thank you for. So I'm Kim. When does this book come out? So we are looking at launching in June. And the chapters are just starting to be written now, so. Okay. Yeah when it comes out, definitely. It's on pre sale at the moment, actually. I'll give you the pre sale link. You can put that in the Yes. Show notes as well. Yeah. Came out last week, the pre launch. Yeah. Because I love, I love the word rich. And to me, the word rich applies into. Often people think of it in relation to money, but we can talk about richness in food, richness and taste, richness in life. Like, there's, it's a it's a state of being almost, in a way. It's not just about dollars in a bank account because it's. Anybody can have money in a bank account, then what you do with it as well, that makes you rich. That's spot on. Spot on. It's like we're like finishing each other's sentences. It's amazing. And I think I came on thinking, oh, I don't know if I'm good for this podcast or not. I don't know, we all have our doubts sometimes. I was like, oh, I don't know enough about investments or something. No, it's not about that at all. No. And this is, this is the other thing too. Like, we were sort of talking a little bit about this before I hit record. Like, the concept of investing, like, I get a lot of, a lot of women in particular, like, oh, I don't know how. I don't know anything about investing. And I'm. I'm scared I'll make the wrong choice and I'll lose money. I said, well, again, it comes down to what do you want? Like, I've gone down the path of. I went to share investing courses and property development courses and actually started to go down the path of doing a property development. And then when I dig into it, I was like this, you know what I actually like, ease and knowing just just enough to be able to do what I need to do, how I want to do it. I don't want to be a day trader My cousin was a day trader and he was constantly stressed. Lack of sleep because he was awake at all hours of the night with all the various markets and whatever. And I don't know if he actually even really made that much money after it all. So I was, I'm like, you know what, this is where we need to figure out what it means. And rather than doing nothing because we're scared, just ask some questions, do a bit of research and. Yeah. And reach out. There's so many people who can give you their opinions. Everyone. No one's short on opinions. But then take it all in and then figure out what feels right. That intuition piece is extremely important. I've got a really good book that we're reading at the moment your listeners might like. It's called Strong Money Australia. Okay. Speaks. Oh my God, he speaks our languages by Dave Gao. We're actually going to get him on our podcast. He's amazing. Oh he retired himself at 27. But he came, didn't come from money. He was a factory worker. Yeah. And he just realized he just worked it all out. He did property investment first and then made enough and then went, okay, no shares. And they're just the way he speaks to the beginner. But he speaks about alignment, about values, about consumerism, about just making what you need long term investment. Compounding how exactly what you. All that stuff you just said. He just puts it in this amazing way. The audio. When I started listening, I was like, oh my God, he sounds like he's about 17. Yeah. This really young voice and he's Aussie. It's like, wow. You just feel really aligned with him. Yeah. And that's really. I'm gonna, I'm. I haven't heard of that book so I'm gonna have a look into it. Yeah That's awesome. Because yeah, I find there is difference in cultures as well. Like I read a lot of money books come out of the US we have a very different culture in general and also how the relationship we have money plus the structures that we have, like they have. Our superannuation is different to their 401k. There's different ways employers have to function with things. So there's. It's just being informed enough to know what you need to know to ask the right questions or to make sure that you put things in the right spot and having somebody who simplifies it. And that's why I called my business Money Made simple because I don't like complexity. It doesn't need to be complex. Money is actually pretty simple and pretty boring. Once you get it going, all you need to do is just review the numbers and then adjust the rest of your life for anything that changes or something that comes up that you want. But that's what he says. That's what he says. You'll love it. You're going to love this book. And when. When we interview him on our podcast, I'll let you know. Yes. Out. We're just ballsy. We just messaged him and said, oh, we love your book. And he's like, oh, you know, we'd love to have you on our podcast. Yes, absolutely. Because you speak our language. He talks about alignment. He talks about values, meaningful money and fulfillment and all the stuff like you said, not over capitalizing on a house, but having all the comforts. Yes. So, yeah, so. And it's all Australia based. That's exactly why I loved it. It talks about your super power percentages and he talks about overseas investing versus national and how to do it simply. There's little work as possible. And that's the thing, too. We have access to so much more now than we ever did. Like, between micro investing, ETFs, like exchange funds, we can get access to the US markets, which generally do tend to make more than the Australian ones do. Although, anyway, I won't get into much of the technicality of it, but there. Because I could, I could go on and on, but But it's. Yeah, it's fantastic to know that. And then we can share this information with our kids as well. I already am. They're listening to it in the car. They know all about it. Yeah. Well, my daughter constantly asks me about investing and like, how much money do I have and how much can I if I make? So she likes to She likes earning money. The investing concept is kind of there. She's like, so if I buy part of a company, I get some of their profit. Because we spoke about profit. Because she was selling at the markets last year some necklaces that she makes and she thought she'd get all the money back that she was selling it for. I was like, no, no, no. Mama bank of mama had to pay for the materials that you made your necklaces with. So I'm going to. This is why we priced it this way. So even when I was doing the pricing with her, she didn't get the concept of profit. As soon as it meant she got less back from the sale price, then she got it. So I was like, yay. Learning through you know, practicality. But now. So she starts at the. I mean, she's nine now, so she was eight when this started. And I've been talking to her about money, and she hears me do my videos and things as well. But, yeah, I think the more educated and informed we become, the better chance we have of making sure our kids don't miss out on things and don't get a credit card at the age of 17, which is what happened. Well, I didn't get one because I didn't like them. But that's. That was the message we got. We had these Dolomite accounts, which meant that the bank got free reign to market credit cards to us as soon as we turned of age. I was like, that's not the message we want our kids to get. Isn't that crazy? Yeah, that's crazy. But, yeah, that's good on you. Like, that's amazing. So, yes. So we've got your book coming out, you've got retreats some really exciting work that you're doing. I'm really so appreciative that we got connected. Yes. It was perfect timing. It's always trust the right people come together at the right time to create some magic. Yeah. Fantastic. All right, well, I will. We'll wrap it up there, and we'll put all the information to find out more about those two sisters and the events and exciting things you've got coming up in the show notes. And. Yeah, well I'm looking forward to connecting to you again and maybe seeing you tomorrow at our networking function. Yes, Sounds amazing. I'll see you then. All right, well, thank you very much for listening. And, yeah, if you have any questions, please forward them through. And yeah, I'll see you next week.
