Hi, and welcome to this week's episode of Money with Alpha. I'm very excited today. I have the lovely Fiona Lindbergh joining me. Um, hi.
Hey.
Now, Fiona has been on this podcast before, but in a different capacity, and today I'm super duper excited to talk more about human design and the elements that really dig deep in that space. We were just literally talking before we hit record about how superficial a lot of the conversations can be around it.
And, um, Fiona is a walking, talking encyclopedia about how to connect all the dots and make things make more sense. So welcome again.
Thank you. Thanks for having me.
Tell us a little bit about your journey, because your journey is really intriguing and interesting as well, and I'd love people to hear your backstory. And then also, what drew you to human design in the first place and how it changed your world?
Oh, yeah, 100%. So, um, so a bit about me is I have spent literally the past 30 years as a professional photographer. That sounds like a really long time when I say it out loud. Um, I was that kid in the 80s who got a camera, I think, for my ninth birthday, and was instantly obsessed.
I was, you know, when I was really, really little, that kid that when you said to me, what do you want to be when I. When you grow up? You know, only ever had one answer, and that was an artist. Right. And so I felt like I found my medium, and over the years, I just grew my knowledge and my equipment got better, but I just stuck with my medium.
Um, but I didn't enjoy the industry norm of photography, which was kind of this obsession with the superficiality of the exterior. You know, like, we don't really care what's going on inside. Um, make it look nice, put on a costume, put on your mask, do a little performance of pretending to be happy in front of the camera, and we don't really care how you feel when you go home and wash it all off.
And that felt super disgusting to me. Um, I was much more interested in, can we use this as a vehicle to actually see ourselves? Right. Over the years, predominantly dealing with women as my clients. Um, I think in any business, you hear the same story over and over again.
Right? And for me, what I heard was basically women not being able to see themselves, not being able to see their strength, their magnificence, their resilience, their ingenuity, their creativity, their comedy, their. All of this incredible stuff. But instead, what they did see was, like, the superficial exterior, like, and the things that beauty culture had toxically told them.
Don't worry, we can fix that about you. Like, oh, airbrush it.
Right. Um, the cellulite, the, you know, the um, the age, the gray hair, whatever, all of this stuff. And I was just like, oh my God, like, no, like, can I, can I use this tool to show you what I see? Because I see something else entirely. And I loved that.
Um, I, I put my heart and soul into that. Very much so. But I also started to feel a wee bit frustrated after a while. Like I'm, you know, I'm kind of stuck in this one little, small, very geographic area. You have to drive to me. There's a lot of resistance.
Most women don't love having their picture taken. You know, um, you need a lot of time. It costs quite a bit money where, you know, there was a, a lot of barriers to this. And then I loved the whole process, but it felt like, wow, I'm spending my day with one person and I'm making this incredible change where yes, they can see something and it changes something about their self perception, their self belief, their self worth.
Yeah. But I would love to be standing on a stage in front of like 400 women and I would love to do that, you know. And um, it was around this time, you, um, know, been 30 years and you know, I'm kind of heading into that midlife intersection where we all question what am I doing?
Where am I going? And is this who I am? And all that stuff. And m. As I worked in the studio, there's a lot of time spent on my computer and I used to listen to podcasts and I had run out of every single podcast that I, you know, usually listen to.
I'd exhausted all the content and so I just went exploring and randomly this podcast fell into my lap and it was talking about human design and it was a very basic surface level thing. Something about the description caught my interest and I need to preface this in saying I am m not a kind of fluffy bunny.
Woo woo person. I, you know, I'd never done a reiki session or been to a psychic or like any of this stuff. I was raised by two scientists. I like peer reviewed articles and facts and logic and all that stuff. Anyway, I was listening to this podcast and the specificity of what this woman was talking about blew me away.
She was talking very broad strokes, high level stuff. There was two hosts of the podcast and she just said, look, I'm just going to talk about type. You know, in human design. The entry pieces are basically type, strategy and authority. And if you have nothing more than Those three pieces, they can make a huge difference in your life.
So she's like, podcast number one, you are this type. You're a manifesting generator, and that means blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I was like, oh, this sounds like my husband Mark. Like, this sounds exactly like him. And then podcast number two, you're what's called a projector, and that means blah, blah, blah, blah.
And I was like, oh, that sounds like me, you know, and hit pause. Call husband. I need your birth time. Yeah. You know, for us both, he is a manifesting generator and I am a projector. And I was just kind of shocked and awed that this very generic, high level descriptor, you know, because even with, um, you know, your sun sign in your astrology, in your zodiac, like someone goes taurus, today you will face a challenge.
And you think, well, wow, that's not very specific to the 4 billion. You know, however, like, it's just crazy, right? It's not very specific. This was so specific. And as soon as I started to dive in a little bit more and started to educate myself and started to learn a lot more, um, this now has become my full blown obsession.
This has become my gem. I have left my photography career. I am doing this full time. It is something that I cannot believe how specific it is, but how actionable and practical, um, what you can do with it. It has changed the relationship that I have with my husband, with my children.
It's changed how I parent. It's changed the, ah, family dynamics. It has healed whatever stuff that I had going on from my childhood with my own family of origin. And, uh, I just. Yeah, I'm obsessed. Obsessed. So, yes, that's it.
Well, that's. That's because whenever we talk about it and you, you automatically go into it. I mean, you've seen my chart, you've seen my daughter's chart, my husband's chart. And whenever we have discussions and you're like, oh, my gosh, I can so see this is this and this and this.
Yes. And it's helped me go m through some things or depersonalize some of the behavior.
Oh, my gosh, that's the perfect word.
Uh, diffuses things so much faster.
Yes. Like, people have their processes. Right. Take something as mundane as, like, stacking the dishwasher or something. Right. Like, you know, every person in a couple is like, you are, uh, this is hurting my soul. Are you doing it like this? You're right. And it's like, no, you need to be doing it my way.
And it's like we tend to make people wrong for their processes and we tend to be made wrong for our processes. And this just literally was a way to completely depersonalize that, to really understand, because we don't all have the same processes, but we kind of assume that we do, um, really depersonalize it, understand my people and their processes, and then have let them have the space or whatever the support was for them to have their process and come to it in their own.
And you just diffuse a lot of the nitty gritty, mundane rubbish that gets in the way of genuine connection with your people. Right?
So, yeah, yeah. And you still sort of experience it. But I almost every time I get triggered by something that I know is in like my husband's chart or even my daughter's, I'm like, Fiona, remember what she said about. I was like, yep, okay, all right, breathe it out.
Right?
And then acknowledging how I would trigger them as well with what I do, right?
That, that it's helped me own my stuff. It's really helped. You know, like, you can look at. There's lots of stuff at the moment. Like, I think trauma is having a big moment in terms of self help and spirituality and development. And it's does need addressing, but it is also like literally every single person on the planet has had life deal them, uh, a deck of cards, a hand of cards, where it's like, I wasn't prepared for this.
I didn't know how to deal with this. I haven't. We all have those experiences and it is literally in how we learn to deal with it and how we move forward. That can change our life and that can change our lived experience of the day to day of dealing with that hand.
Right? And so for me, that's a huge part of it. It's like, am I perpetuating this trauma? Am I going to be that cycle breaker? What are the tools that I need to do it? You know? And unfortunately, we live in a culture where, you know, alcohol is cheap and therapy is expensive, you know, and it is, you know what I mean?
Um, ah, there's a lot of pop culture. Even when you look at like TV shows or movies or something, there's a scene where somebody's breaking up with somebody or having a fight and the next shot they're in a bar and they're like, oh, and they made to like, you've had too many.
You should put it down. There's a very subliminal message that comes out, like emotional pain, don't worry. Alcohol, like, you know, or Even, hey, you're having a celebration like alcohol, there's a lot of, um, encouraged numbing or masking in whatever form that it takes. I'm taking alcohol as a example, but.
Could be going to the chocolate, you know, Right.
Eating, scrolling, shopping, gambling, sex, whatever your outlet is where it's like, this is so I don't have to feel the stuff that is making me feel deeply uncomfortable.
Well, because there's no roadmap either.
There's no roadmap. And when you go to.
Yeah, when you go to, to a. Uh. And I'm not, I'm not saying that there's no, no value in therapy, but when you go there, you've got to like, you have to speak it and it gets to kind of get pulled out of you. But if there's a lack of self awareness, it's really hard because I struggle with this sometimes too, because I'm.
I can really get stuck in my head and I'm in my head. So I'm like, what. How is some other languaging? Yeah. But when. When you say, I'll go, oh my gosh. Yeah, that, that I've been trying to like, figure out how to articulate.
Yeah.
And you can see, you can see it.
It's wild, isn't it?
Yeah. So what are the.
The.
Because there's four main. Sorry, you go, you go.
No, I was going to say just quickly on the therapy point. Um, 100 therapy has massive value. And if you're in therapy or if you're seeking therapy, like, yes, do that. That's amazing. But I don't know a lot of people where it's built into the structure of therapy to graduate from that as a system where you're like, you're good, you're done.
We completed the journey. There's almost a, uh, um, you know, financial. Yes, there's almost a. Okay, well next week and next time and you know, and okay. You know, you're never done, you're never done in life in any kind of healing modality or whatever that you choose. But there's this idea of like, when is enough enough?
You know, there still should be levels.
If it's not never done, but there should still be progression.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I was just going to ask you because as you mentioned, two of the types for people who don't know too much about each of them. Do you want to just give a little a bit of a summary of what each of the types are?
Yeah, absolutely. So if you're brand new to human design, um, there's loads of places where you can generate a free chart for yourself to have a look. And honestly, the top pieces of your human design are going to be the most practical and actionable for them. And you can find that out for free on the Internet with a simple Google search, right?
So you can go to a site like geneticmatrix.com and up a chart. You will need as accurate a birth time as possible. Um, and then it's the date and location of your birth, right? And this gives you probably the least intuitive looking graphic of a visual of what your body, which is what your chart is called, um, and depending on what centers you have defined.
And your centers in your body graph are loosely based on the Hindu Brahman chakra system. This is an energetic map, your blueprint. Basically, this is what energy themes you have consistent, reliable access to and which energy themes you have inconsistent, sporadic access to. And just human nature. We tend to try to be the things that we are not right, or to cling on or to try to have consistency where we're not designed for it.
So there are four types that come about as a byproduct of those definition in your centers, right? So there is generators, which get uh, lumped in also with manifesting generators, right? So if you are, if you have the word generator in your type, if you're a manifesting generator or generator, you are a uh, generator type.
You have manifestors, you have projectors and reflectors. So together manifestors and manifest, sorry, generators and manifesting generators make up around 70% of the population. So this is most of the people. Projectors make up roughly 20% of the population. Manifestors make up around 9% of the population. And reflectors are super rare at around 1% of the population.
Right. So um, each of these types have a kind of way of. Know using the energy best.
Right.
Um, generator types, uh, what are called sacral beings, they have the sacral center defined and this gives them almost limitless or renewable energy to generate.
Right?
They can generate, they can build things, create things, start things, do things.
Right.
The trick for this is it's like you also can just have zero boundaries in your personal life and be doing all the doing, which leads to burnout and frustration.
Right.
And make you feel like, actually, I have no energy. The trick for generator types is to point their beautiful boundless energy sources at, ah, the things that genuinely bring them satisfaction in the doing.
Right.
Obviously our day has to be tempered. Otherwise nobody would be doing laundry or taking out the garbage because they're like, that's not really satisfying.
Are we all about outsourcing these days?
Exactly. Right. But, uh, in terms of if you are dragging yourself to a 9 to 5 in a role that you absolutely detest, you're going to feel like, no, I don't have energy. What is she talking about?
Right.
But it is about following this internal response within you instead of initiating from, from your mind, oh, I think I should do this. It's about being really magnetic and seeing what comes across your path and responding to those things you will feel inside. An internal thrum of energy that feels like a mm or a right.
And to follow that, right. Projectors, those 20%. We are not designed for what we can do. We can, due to the point of overdoing and overzealousness and burnout. Um, you know, um, that is not what we're here for. That is not our gift, that is not our strength. Our strength is in basically having a very unique perspective.
Projectors are here to be very wise and insightful and are designed to master systems. Usually the systems are around understanding how people work, um, in order to be recognized for our wisdom in that system and to give guidance.
Two energy types, such as the generators, right. When invited, when asked.
Right.
There is nothing more, uh, repelling or like gross than um, a projector giving unwanted, um, or unsolicited advice that feels very, very deeply repelling. Right? And projectors are designed to be very successful in the guidance that they're giving, which feels like being appreciated for your advice when they wait to be recognized and invited.
Right?
And then we have manifestos who are the only type designed to initiate, um, these guys. Energy operates in like a power surge. You know, they will, they don't have a consistent energy burst. Um, it is more like, you know, think about a power just absolutely on when it is on.
I can just be super efficient and smash out a million things and then I have a deep restful period where I need to kind of go to ground. And it's all very quiet for a while. These are the guys who are great at starting things and not necessarily designed to do all the doing and see them through to completion.
Um, these are the guys that are very strong, independent kind of people that have like a very intense energy to be around. It kind of compresses other people's energy in order to move the wrong people out of their path.
Right.
They are designed to inform others before they take action because they have such big impact. Right. So it brings other people along with the ride instead of letting them interfere with your stuff. And then the reflectors of the world are, ah, literally here to be kind of the wise mirrors and the, um, evaluative guides.
Right. Where they are super sensitive to the environment that they're in. They can literally sample and take in the health and the energy of the people, the place, the environment, the system, the corporation, the business, wherever they are in. And it is their feedback, their evaluative feedback that can really change the health or trajectory of a place, a person or whatever.
Right.
These guys, it's very important for them to put themselves in an environment that genuinely feel good for them.
Right.
They, uh. It's terrible way to describe it, but in some of the source material, they kind of described as like the canary in the coal mine. And if you think of it in that way, it's like, these are the guys where, okay, this is the litmus test for the health of this system, this business, this home, this family, this church, whatever it is.
Yeah, yeah.
Wow. It's so. It's amazing when you think about it, because it literally as soon as you were talking about generators, which is what I am, my daughter is a manifesting generator and my husband is a manifester. So I can see so much correlation there. And it's literally like the boom energy of my husband.
And then you kind of like. And literally will go to ground as well. And for a while there I was just like, oh, what's going on here? Because I'm like the little. The worker be. Do I constantly trying to fix, wind.
You up and point you in the right direction and I'm off. Yeah, yeah, 100%.
And then understanding the projector. And so we. And a lot of. And there's more to the chart obviously, than just the type.
Yeah.
But when you start to see all the channels on that, it. It's really it's delightful as well because you're like, oh, all these things that I've like sensed. I can see why they make sense now 100%.
Right?
And so how I said, you know, the, the there are nine centers in the body graph, right? For human design. There was only seven chakras in the Hindu Brahman chakra system. But there is a correlation there. But if I take a really easy example. So we all have in our body graph chart what's called our authority, right?
And it's basically one of our centers that is meant to provide this body guidance. M. One of the central tenets of human design is that your mind is not meant to make decisions for you. And this is a huge piece for most people to be like, yeah, so wait, what?
Like, because we are very conditioned in our society to be very much think about it, make a list of pros and cons, like, you know, use your logic. What about critical thinking and all of this stuff? So our minds essentially in human design are uh, like great at ah, conceptualizing thoughts into opinions, right?
Um, remembering details and data and facts, like using stuff to, you know, um, help other people like with our ideas and inspiration. But they're not meant to actually make decisions for us. Somewhere in our body it is a body based wisdom system, right? So half of the population in the entire planet, irregardless of their type, have what's called emotional authority and half of the people don't.
Right? And so this one is a really easy one I think to use as an example because I am, um, for example, what's called a non emotional person. It doesn't mean I don't have emotions, it means it's not my authority.
Right?
You also, right?
Yeah.
So for me, when I understood this I was like, yeah, there's some people in life where you're just like, what is with all the feelings all of the time, right? They seem very emotional about everything. And you're like, are, uh, you okay? You know, um, so for me and for you as non emotional types, it's like we have our emotions, but when we are by ourselves and we're just ticking along, we're emotionally neutral, okay?
If something happens to us, we will have a reactionary emotion. Something sad happens, we'll feel sad. Something happy. Yay, we feel happy. Okay? But normally we're just neutral, right? For an emotional being, right? Somebody with emotional authority, they are just constantly navigating the ups and downs, the highs and lows of an emotional wave which never stops.
Okay? So for no reason whatsoever at all. They can wake up in the morning on the high of their emotional wave, and everything feels awesome, right? Or the opposite. They can wake up in the low of their emotional wave, and they just feel heavy and, like, bluesy and melancholic and like, I'm probably wondering, do I have bipolar disorder?
Do I have manic depression? What is wrong with me? And it is like, there's nothing wrong with you. But it's helpful to understand emotional authority, because if you are making decisions in the high of your emotional wave, you might be like, actually, I don't want to do that at all.
I don't know why I said yes. A couple of days later when I've come down from that, I'm like, that was a horrible. I don't want to do that thing. Now I have to call, call and cancel. And I feel flaky, right? Or if I was in the low and somebody offered me this opportunity or gave this thing to me, and I was just like, no, I don't want to do that.
Because I was, you know, and then days later, I'm like, why did I say no? I'm really regretting that. And emotional authority is basically this idea of, like, you need to wait for clarity. You need to give yourself time. And it's as simple as memorizing a phrase such as, like, that sounds really great.
Can I get. Check my calendar and get back to you? Right? That phrase has changed lives, honestly, because you can just buy yourself a little bit of time and be like, oh, okay, hang on. How am I feeling now? How am I feeling a day later? How am I feeling 48 hours later?
Once you've gone through the wave, once you've crossed the wave, how do you feel at each end of it?
Right? And so it really just is like, oh, okay. And each of us have a different authority, right? And so once we start to go, oh, yeah, okay, what we find is we make more aligned decisions. And when you make better decisions, you find yourself in better environments with better people, which are the, you know, generally speaks to leading to better opportunities.
Right?
And so acting rather than reacting as.
Well, a hundred percent, right? Or just like, why am I here again? Really? Like, why am I repeating this? I thought I learned this lesson, you know, and it's really. It comes down to the quality of our decision making. So it's one of the huge parts of human design, for sure.
So. Awesome. Uh, the other one that I've been. I wanted to ask you about is the money line, because I love talking about money. Anyway, but when you were talking about this as well, because my daughter has it and I am always amazed at how anything she wants just manages to get.
And. And she's a managen as well, manifesting generator. So I need to understand this even more than I currently do. But yeah, so how, how does that show up and do many people have it and.
Yeah, yeah, so it's really interesting. So what you're talking about is, um, what's called channels. So in between, what creates that definition that I was talking about in the centers of your design is basically there's like little roads coming between the channels, and they are connected by what we call.
Ah, a channel. Sorry. The roads were coming between the centers. They're connected by what we call a channel, which is where two gates connect to meet.
Right.
Um, and so your, uh, daughter has a channel which is called the money line, right? Pardon me. Um, it is from the center which is known as the ego or the heart or the will. It has these three different names. Pick the one that is least triggering to you.
A lot of people don't like the word ego.
Right.
This center as a theme is literally all about the material plane. It is about bargains and, you know, like agreements. Like, if you do that, I will do this. You know, and you think about just in business as a contract, if you do that, I will do this. And there is an agreement here for some kind of monetary or compensatory, like exchange.
Okay? So if we take this back to like really basic, you know, almost tribal kind of times, like communal times, you know, this would be the energy of somebody who's like, I have a prize bull and I need to take it to trade with that other tribe, uh, in so that we can, you know, get the resources to last through the winter.
They have grain. I better be a really good salesperson, for example, to trade this and talk it up and get the best possible price for my bull.
Right?
So this is, it's not just modern kind of energy. This is ancient kind of energy that exists within us. The money line is very much about getting resources for what's called your tribe. In human design. That is not meant to be, you know, a whitewashed term or anything, but it is very much this energy of like, your people.
So that could look like your corporation, your church, your community, your home, your nuclear family, whatever it is. It's about resources for your tribe.
Right?
And so when we put that in modern context, that is about money. That's about making sure that me and mine are, uh, taken care of. With enough resources that also looks like food, you know, that can look like time, that can look like whatever it looks like. Um, and it is very much about, like, these people are here to express that energy.
Right.
Um, that, that particular channel is an interesting one because one of the gates in that channel, the theme of it, gate 21, is called. It's literally about control, Right? Now, when we hear the word control, again, this can be a triggering word because most of us have a very negative connotation with the idea of control.
Yeah.
But when you think about the idea of control of like, imagine if there was like, you know, a horse and cart, kind of old school horse and buggy kind of situation, and something had happened to spook the horse, and it was literally running out of control and about to go somewhere very dangerous.
Right.
And there's a person stuck on there and they're freaking out. They don't know what to do.
Yeah.
Somebody else who was able to come in and take control, take the reins, calm that situation down and prevent a disaster. You're like, thank you.
Right.
Like, this is just a theme. It is neither good nor bad. There's no morality associated with it. It's just a theme of control. And so when you have this idea of like, okay, so your daughter is going to be somebody who wants to be able to have control over some of her own resources.
Right.
And this is going to be a very healthy expression for her. So where in that is like, you know, and girl, I got to say, on a personal level, this is why she chose you to be her mama. Because you are going to teach her about the structure and what to do about literally about to give her a financial education is so beautiful.
Right. I honestly believe we choose our people.
Right.
Um, Right. And so. For her to have this expression where she, you can create space in her world where she's got her own pocket money or her own tokens or a sticker chart or some kind of recompensatory thing where you have an agreement based on, if you do this, you will get that.
And like, we have a contract and there's a bond and we've shaken hands and it's all signed and sealed. She will feel very encouraged and flourishing in that. And when a healthy outlet for that isn't usually given, and it's not just this. When a healthy outlet for anything isn't given, it's taken and it doesn't usually look healthy.
Right. So then I will seek to have control. I will lift $5 out of your wallet when you're not looking, or I will, you know, in order. Right. It's like, yeah, people will find a way. People will find a way. And so it's just, again, it's understanding, hey, if somebody has this thematic energy, what's ways that we can explore this healthily with an open dialogue and give it space and give it expression so that we don't have these limiting beliefs around money.
We don't have these stories that say, I, I'm not trusted with money. I'm not good with money, I can't, whatever. She will grow up not only having a financial education through your wisdom and the guidance of that, but the healthy expression of, like, no, I, I, I'm good at this.
I have control of this. I'm good to go on this. Like, yeah, uh, what a great story for any little girl to grow up with. Seriously.
I know. So when you said, when you told me that, I was just like, oh, my gosh, make so many things make sense. But what about for people? Like, I'm, I'm a money person. I don't have the money line. So how does, how does not having that, that channel, um, defined actually play out for people?
So this, this is really interesting. Yeah. In human design, it's either when we have definition there. So if we have a center defined or a particular channel defined, that's our definition. That's where we have consistent access to it. But we don't have it defined. We have the potential to take in the energy from those around us and amplify it.
Okay. So if you think about like a guitar amp. Right, right. A speaker. Right. When you amplify it, okay. You have, you definitely turning up the volume. But also you can take it too far and distort that frequency and, you know, it's unpleasant. Right? So the same can happen.
But when we can learn to be discerning about this and not have attachments to this, like, oh, uh, why can't I be like this all the time? Why am m. I only like this occasionally and start applying, you know, like, the shoulds, I should be better. I should be more consistent.
I should. Can we lean into an acceptance that says, oh, uh, maybe at times I'm really great at this, and at other times there's wisdom for me to learn. There's actually potential there in our open centers to become deeply wise and to become a teacher for others. Right. When you think about.
So for example, for your daughter, she has that definition there, that heart, ego, will. Definition that you don't have. Right? When you don't have that definition, you're actually more able to have a perspective on it. Right? When you have the definition, it's more like saying to a fish, look, you're in the ocean, and the fish is like, what are you talking about?
This is just the world, right? Like, I don't see this thing. I don't notice it so much. I'm not aware of it because this is so consistent in my life since the day I took my first breath that I don't pay attention to this. I'm taking this for granted.
It is just, don't you have this? Why can't you have this? Right? And so actually, you know, if you talked, it's like, you know, it's like talking to a person of color. They would be the better person to explain about whiteness than I would be. Right? Because they're going to have a very different, much better perspective on this than me who lives in this body and this, uh, like, the privilege that comes with me, right?
So it's like, okay, so it's that same idea where it's like, actually where you're open, you have the potential for deep wisdom as long as you're not operating out of the low expression of this, which is forcing consistency, Trying to be like this all the time, identifying with other people's energy and trying to hold onto it and then applying the shoulds.
Right?
So there's something more authentic.
Yes. There is a process there that is like, what is mine, what is not mine? Can I own and play the hell out of the cards that I've been dealt rather than trying to wish I had access to everybody else's cards?
Yeah, that's it. And that's really. It's interesting, actually, because I reflect on my journey and I wasn't naturally. I wasn't naturally good or not good with money like it was. I had experiences as a child which, you know, we all have them and some things aren't great and some things were a bit blah.
Can't say money was a particularly positive thing that I. I witnessed. And then having to go on my own learning journey, and then now I feel like the experience is so much deeper. Whereas I noticed with my daughter, I mean, she's still only nine, there's a lot more superficiality there.
And I don't think she kind of recognizes the depth of journey I've had to go through to learn my lessons that I'm now teaching others. That's it.
Yeah.
For her, it's just like, well, I want it. So. Yeah, it doesn't. Doesn't it just happen like that anyway?
Yeah, exactly. I'm trying to say to somebody, it's really important that you remember to breathe. Okay. Did you breathe again? Did you breathe? Oh, just really important. Like, that person's like, calm down. It just happens. I don't have to think about it. And so you take it. There's a level of just taking it for granted.
And with that becomes the assumption of like, well, I'm a human and you're a human. Surely that's the same, isn't it? You know, and so it is. It's just human nature. It's one of the things says what I fell in love with human design for is because this represented to me an actual literal map of, like, here is your consistencies.
Here's the strengths that you have a natural attribution for that you most likely have overlooked your whole life or spent your whole life going, why am I like this? Why am I so cringe? Why am I like that? Why can't I be more like that? And trying to be all the things you're not?
And so it is literally just a roadmap to, okay, first, can I become aware. Oh, this is how I am. You're not like that. You're different to me. Okay. Awareness. Awareness can then breed acceptance.
Yeah.
Once you can accept something, maybe then we can move into self worth, self love. Right. A lot of people talk about self love, and it sounds beautiful. And I know zero women who live there. Right. Like, I know very few women who've even visited there for a short trip.
Right. But, uh, if we can actually become aware of something, then acceptance. How can you love something you can't even accept?
Yeah. Uh, yeah, it has to. Yeah. I love this on so many levels because there's. All of those elements have to come in first. And that's where people talk about mindset. And I was like, yeah, that, that's. That's great. And that's. That's an element to it. But we're still stuck up here in the.
That cerebral area of our. Of our bodies.
Yes.
And it's. This is different. We need to. To go deeper. And if we really, really want to shift things, this is a way to help do that. Um, so this. And it can be done in so many different ways. Like helps you understand money, helps you with relationship with your.
Yourself, obviously your children, even in business. And helping you hire the right team.
Yes.
And interact. Even if you don't know what their chart is. Because I'm pretty sure you wouldn't necessarily. I mean, it'd be. Be interesting to do people's charts as part of their recruitment process. But it's probably not ideal to make.
It probably a HR nightmare.
But. Yeah, but at least becoming. Because the more aware you are, the more you can start to see other people. Like, you can probably pinpoint most people now just by having a conversation with them.
Do you know what is wild to me? People will actually keynote their chart or their design. Like, honestly, all the time it happens. People will just say certain keynotes and you're like, oh, I, I can. We do. And like, you know, a conversation will happen down the line and I'll see their chart and it's just like, yeah, you literally said the words that are, uh, the descriptors for this.
You know, I had a girlfriend, we were talking about her little boy and she was saying one time she was like, o. Oh. You know, it's like he's got all of these big feelings and he doesn't know what to do with them, and so they manifest as anger. And I was like, oh, he's an emotional manifesto.
I was like, he's an. And she was like, what? And we were like, we went down the rabbit hole. Pull this chart. He is a manifesto with emotional authority and so
only just keyboarded his design. And it is, it is that obvious and it is that there. But when you. When it's all just etheric and you're like, well, I'm not really sure. And maybe today I'm feeling like this and tomorrow this map, right, that represents our body graph, our human design map, maybe it's all rubbish.
Like, you know, it is. There is many, many overlays to this where honestly, it takes into account your amino acids and your genes and there is A whole quantum physics, neutrino particle situation going on there, which it is deep and it is. There is a lot here, which I am.
I am not a, like, a believer of anything. I don't want to take anything as dogmatic. I still have my scientific questioning mind about me. But I have got to say, there is, like, levels to this where it's just like, yeah, okay, we will speak something. And it is like, yes, there is an innate truth here that once you start looking at this and getting into this, even if somebody said to me this is, I can prove that this is not real or this is not true, I'm still in the camp of this is 100% helpful.
Yes, this is 100% helpful. Right. And it's like, I know for a fact that I tell my children a, uh, lie every year at the end of the year about a certain being that will enter our home and bestow gifts upon them under a tree. Like, and it is helpful.
It is so helpful. It teaches them to believe in something bigger than themselves. It teaches them to believe in a spirit of magic. It absolutely, um, modifies their behavior. Um, there is a whole bunch of usefulness that comes from this. And it's like, do I know this not be true?
I actually do. But it's still useful. And for human design, I honestly, I'm less interested in, you know, the probing edit or the, like, you know, all of this. It is very, very, very accurate. It is scarily, um, accurate, but it.
Is curiosity as well and as a, as an element to help us understand ourselves better.
Yes.
Because otherwise it's too easy to blame the world for things or to blame something else or even to blame ourselves in a way. But we're not blaming the real us. We're blaming a projection of ourselves.
Yeah. A false self. Right?
Yes. 100% hugely valuable. Um, where, where can people find out more about you and because you have a way of, of presenting it and to make the connections. That is truly incredible. So how can people find out more about you and what you do?
Thank you. Um, yeah, so, uh, probably my website or my Instagram is the best place to start. My business handle is Being seen human design. So B E I N G Being seen human design. Um, yeah, Instagram or on my website.
Um, yeah, we'll put the links in the show notes if people are driving. And they can't write that down, of course.
Of course. Yeah. But, um, it's one of those things, like, highly recommend. If this sparks any curiosity, go Google how to grab a free chart you know, if you've got birth times for your people, your kids, yourself, um, you know, pop it in, generate a chart, look up what it means.
There's some descriptions on my website about the types, um, and about, you know, strategy and authority. Um, that's the best place to start. And honestly, if you just had those three places, those type, strategy and authority, if you just have those three pieces, that is going to give you a huge place to start with yourself, your core relationship, your kids, and even within your team, like you mentioned, you know, I'm probably sure that you couldn't hire based on human design, but if you've got a small team that you work together with and you can see your designs Together, you can 100% identify your gaps and your, Your, you know, your great skills, and you're like, oh, we're all over this, but we might need to outsource some help for that, for example.
And it. That can be hugely beneficial, you know?
Absolutely. And you, I know you're. You're still trying to sort of sort through some of the ways you're going to be presenting this into the world. And when you, when you are, I'm so excited because I can't wait to, to see what comes and be part of it as well.
I really like. The more, the more I've heard you talk about, the more I've sort of seen the elements of it and played it out in my own world, the more I realize this is incredibly powerful and it is hugely valuable for the world and the world around us.
Yeah. I honestly believe this is just. It's changed my life and I know how that sounds. This has changed my life, it's changed my core relationships. Um, yeah, it's one of those things. So, yeah. And I've been invited by a couple of people to do, like, just like a Q and a session, like a zoom, where people can come and just literally go, what about this?
Or what about this? And, um, you know, a nice conversational, kind of almost like a round forum. So I think that's what I'll be doing next. So. Yeah.
Oh, we definitely will be sharing that, so. Oh, it's exciting. Thank you so much for today. I really appreciate you coming on and sharing this wisdom that you have.
Oh, thank you for your invitation. It's very well received and appreciated. Super duper.
Love chatting to you always, girl, as always. All right, everybody, well, thank you very much for listening. Enjoy the rest of your week and we'll catch you next week.
